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THE most edited description on Taking a wild swing, but I suspect I'm right.

Controversial work in progress that has dragged on for more than half a decade without a reported first free ascent! Maybe if people spent time climbing it rather than retro-bolting it and bolt-bolting then it would get done sooner? Maybe if it didn't get bolted at all would have been best! The route was 'most certainly' first rapped and top-roped by Monty on Aus Day 2012, (in total ethic mode leaving no chalk, tick marks, or doing any cleaning) on the same day he bolted Survival Day. Macca then tried it ground-up on a completely different day and pronounced it a 'trad project'. Less than a year later it got ringed by Bundy & co. with no consultation despite being listed here as a project. It then had some of the ringbolts disabled by 'bolting' through them. -10 points for the bolting, +10 points for the disabling effort -20 points for all the faffing and not actual climbing!

Trad line through small rooflet - Marginal gear through roof, be careful... Bomber gear after roof, then traverse right to gear at right side of big break and up via crimps to gear, then easing to good nest of gear before final easy slab section. The race is on for who ticks this route - Jason or Macca? Stay tuned!! Either way this route was, is and always will be a trad route, if you can't step up to that challenge, please step back and stay away!

Thumbs In (Direct Variant) This is now the sport route Chalk Chops. Harder start. Starts a few metres to the right and joins route before crux. Start at large shelf and head up via breaks, out through roof, left to better holds and long move past blankness. Unfortunately this also got bolted after someone saw the chalk we (who?) left on it.

Extension-Project (Trad) Macca. Continue up from the big block straight up the steepening with limited small to medium large gear options turn the lip and up 5m to belay on ledge. Good gear is available here but bolts might be placed to allow lowering or continue to top . . .

Ethic: inherited from West Face (Main Area)

Sublime Point is an old climbing area, with many routes dating from the 1950s and 1960s. Aid and mixed climbing was the fashion then, and the easier routes can be pretty bold for a modern climber. In the last 10 years there have been a lot of well protected sport routes added. This has been seen as controversial by some climbers who consider the crag a 'mixed' climbing venue.


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Located in Binary Cave approx:
Lat/Long: -33.736309,150.337790

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Route Grade Citations

~ 23/24 Macciza a.k.a. Macca

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Route quality

Overall quality score: 63%

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crux tough hard good great tricky short face bad rest

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